Sick Farcks in the Netherlands - Gitmo-east - milage registration thru GPS/GSM

[RickDeckardt]

Some news from gitmo-east, aka 'Zieg Heil Stasi Central - Beta 0.1'-the Netherlands...

Maybe you'd like to see what's being planned here to log every mile made in your car. Wording is everything, as usual, with these damn lizards at the top.

note: GSM=cell phone technology used in the Netherlands, CDMA is the American 'version'.

The Dutch Government wants to log every mile made in your car by installing (at your own cost) a GPS/GSM device that logs your exact position. The system will send this information via the cellphone network to a central computer which will then shit out bills for every mile you've driven.
Depending on the time of day (traffic jams) and the logged location (for secondary routes) the cost per mile will be determined.
This technology, because it is GSM based also allows the installation of a microphone.

If the black box is broken, you need to report this within 8 hours to the proper authorities, or else you can find yourself in prison for 6 months... YES, THIS IS TRUE.

Here is a snippet of the explanation of the law:

Als de “veiligheid van de staat” in het geding is, of in het geval van “voorkoming, opsporing en vervolging van strafbare feiten”, mag de recherche of de inlichtingendienst AIVD gewoon meekijken in de auto. Dat blijkt uit de uitleg bij het wetsvoorstel kilometerprijs.

Freely translated:

If "national security" is at risk, or in case of "prevention, detection and/or prosecution of criminal offenses", the intelligence agencies and AIVD (=dutch Secret Service) are allowed to access the data. This is according to a reading of the new mileage registration law in the Netherlands.

Note the word 'prevention'. Yup, you'll have a cop up your ass before you even did something against the law.

This all sounds like Jack Bauers wettest dream, I can hear him maturbating to this Gitmo-East beta-test already, as it will soon be reality here in 'Zieg Heil'-central.

Bush was right when he said "We're gonna git those damn ter'rist killahs" He was referring to us, the people.

I gotta get out of this country, please folks, name some countries I can migrate to, that honor the peoples privacy.

--RD

[Morn]

Paying for road use by miles is fair.
But them being able to track you and use this information to arrest you? That is like out of a sci fi totalitarian state.

[AndyFoss]

I got sick to my stomach when I read that news report a few days ago, and
when reading the readers' comments everybody was outraged. Still, the
govt wants to push this through, even against the advice of their own
advisory boards. I hope now people will wake up and start to wonder what
the h*ck is going on in "Den Haag" (=the dutch Washington).

For the first time I, too, found myself googling for countries to move to.
Suggestions are welcome.

Andy

[RickDeckardt]

Paying for road use by miles is fair.
But them being able to track you and use this information to arrest you? That is like out of a sci fi totalitarian state.

The Netherlands IS the beta test ground for the Totalitarian state
- We have to give our fingerprints for our passports
- Those fingerprints get filed in a huge database, data retention is unlimited
- Public transport can only be used by the 'OV-chipkaart' an rfid based card, it is stored for 7 years
- The upcoming mileage tracking is also stored for 7 years in a centralized database
- Internet providers in the Netherlands must save ALL traffic logs (the connections, not the data transferred) for 12 months.
- Telephone network providers (cell & land line) Netherlands must save ALL connection logs for 12 months, including which cellphone antenna used.
- The Dutch justice system tapped over 13000 phones (of which 80% was a cellphone) in the 1st half of 2009, now keep in mind that there are only 16 million Dutch... Compare this to the 1891 wiretaps in 2008 in the USA http://www.uscourts.gov/wiretap08/Table4.pdf

So... want to live here? Please, for your own safety... KEEP THE BLEEEP AWAY FROM THIS PLACE, there is an outflow of 150000 Dutch citizens every year now, and above are some of the reasons.

Most people here seem outraged when asked about their opinion, and then fall back into the TV-watching hypnotized couch potatoes they really are with their "I got nothing to hide"-attitude.

I feel sick

[AndyFoss]

This is a good article to read up on the situation, in english:

http://kleinverzet.blogspot.com/2009/11/oppression-watch-road-pricing-in.html

Andy

[BaS]

This is where my lack of languages really gets in the way.  I'm a bit dubious that the law says what is claimed here, but unlike US law, I've got pretty much no hope of finding out.  Anyone here skeptical and fluent in Dutch?

IF this is all true, then maybe the way to get privacy back in the minds of the law makers is to use their own data to embarrass them or point out how easy it is to find out things that make even law-abiding people uncomfortable.